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Sunday, November 14, 2010

Stop the Body Scanners and Pat Downs NOW!

http://www.petitiononline.com/StopScan/petition.html

57 comments:

  1. I am an airline pilot for a major airline and my wife and I were traveling on two flights last week. What my wife went through in San Diego and Memphis was unbelievable. She was fondled by TSA agents that in any other environment, it would be considered sexual assault. To stand there and watch these agents feel my wife like that was just too much to bare. The first time they actually put their hands under my wife's bra. It is outrageous!! Then they proceeded to feel he right between her legs.

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  2. These scans/pat downs are the most invasive and disguting circumstances possible. This is the USA and there are cretain freedoms that should be part of our lives. Additionally, the administrators continue to reference the underwear bomber. This individual did not originate his travel from an airport in the US but Europe.

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  3. I flew from Cedar Rapids, IA to Mesa, AZ in September.I have two artifical knees and card from my physician that states such. I always warn them in advance that I will set it off and then they wand me, but this particular time I had to endure a humiliating patdown. They enjoy their jobs way to much!!! There is a fine line between safety and security and guilty until proven innocent. I don't understand that when the wand only picked up my knees, why was I subject to a complete body search?

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  4. As a frequent flyer with artificial knees, I have experienced 5 "feel ups" (they are no longer 'pat-downs') since the new rules went into effect. While being fondled last Friday morning in Montana, an embarrassed TSA agent shared that if HE wanted to create problems, there would be no alarm sounding as he passed through security. How should that make us feel about our "secure airways". The TSA agents are now legalized sexual molesters. After billions of dollars spent, we're now reduced to having our genitals touched in order to board a plane. When will the cavity searches begin? There has to be a butt bomber planning his/her moments of glory right now. TSA -- stop the insanity!!

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  5. I am a frequent business traveler basically flying every week. My home airport is Richmond, VA which has a body scanner and just about every week I am subjected to it. This airport puts most passengers through it because it is not that busy and they have the time. I have heard so many conflicting stories of the health risks and I do not feel it is fair to subject me to this machine weekly. It would be differnt if I was just going on a trip on vacation and it was a one time thing. I feel like after hearing that the pilots are being told to avoid the scanners that I am going to ask for the pat down instead which is no fun either but safer. Other people who work for my company and live in other states that don't have the scanner arent subjected to this weekly so I have to suffer because my home airport has one. I think they need to either do away with it or allow some sort of allowance for people who travel an excessive amount like a clear card or something.

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  6. I am a frequent business traveler basically flying every week. My home airport is Richmond, VA which has a body scanner and just about every week I am subjected to it. This airport puts most passengers through it because it is not that busy and they have the time. I have heard so many conflicting stories of the health risks and I do not feel it is fair to subject me to this machine weekly. It would be differnt if I was just going on a trip on vacation and it was a one time thing. I feel like after hearing that the pilots are being told to avoid the scanners that I am going to ask for the pat down instead which is no fun either but safer. Other people who work for my company and live in other states that don't have the scanner arent subjected to this weekly so I have to suffer because my home airport has one. I think they need to either do away with it or allow some sort of allowance for people who travel an excessive amount like a clear card or something.

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  7. When the system for scanning for nitrates using a tunnel with positive and negative air pressures has existed for years and guarantees the detection of explosives (they use the same technology when they swab the shoes etc. why the need to visually rape my wife my children or my self, or physically do so if we refuse the see all scan. this system is not only preposterous, it is ineffective, chemical taging is quick and safe, and non invasive. it protects the peoples rights while protecting the nation. Additional options include nuclear tagging of the chemicals utilized in manufacturing explosives, including household chemicals. if enough of the nuclear tags exist together, then explosives are possible, giving rights and just cause to further investigate.

    We need to fight to retain the rights we are supposed to have under the constitution. what is in place is not working, as has been proven over and over. so they block all the passengers, now they are after the shipping, and mails. unless the scanning is for what makes up the danger (chemicals like nitrates), instead of those that may carry a danger (passengers like you and me)there is always the danger of missing the threat. a system was tested, (that works) almost 10 years ago. it is a pressure tunnel with chambers
    a person is subjected to rapid changes in air pressure, with the resultant air then filtered and scanned. it can detect explosive residue in microscopic quantities. it was decided not to utilize it due to expense.

    People, these are our rights we are discussing, i would except a 10 dollar increase in my taxes to keep the rights, and institute such a system rather than be subjected to the indignity, the visual or physical RAPE that the TSA has licensed its MINIMUM WAGE personnel to perform on every citizen that flies.

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  8. Once the methods to keep us safe from the terrorists of the world cross a certain point of personal privacy, liberty and freedom, we have at that point lost the war already and the terrorists have won.
    Part of the strategy of this new type of war is to destroy from within: our rights, liberties and privateness guaranteed by the constitution. It does no good to relinquish these rights in order to protect them...since in relinquishing them, we no longer have them to protect.
    These new airport scanners use harmful xray technology that can pose a potential harmful effect, especially to children, the elderly, those with previous multiple xray exposures and the general public. As reported on CNN, the TSA DOES retain, record and transmit through the internet thousands of these images for "training" purposes. In addition, the new level of "pat down" is no such thing, this is professional "groping", pure and simple. This new system constitutes a blatant invasion of personal privacy and borders on sexual assault in many cases.
    There are plenty of other non invasive and non offending technologies out there used in tougher places in the world than the USA, that can screen for non-metallic bomb materials, powders, chemicals, etc than this TSA system.

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  9. I am a frequent flyer and I will not go through the strip search machines. I have not yet been subjected to the molestation described here, but I have put a lot of thought into how to react should it happen. I am inclined not to resist or even speak to the agent because of possible retaliation. However, I plan to file complaints afterward. If anyone has experience with this I would like to know about what to expect if I complain to the TSA. Also, if anyone has brought molestation charges against the agents that groped them, I would like to know if that is an effective method of resistance to these outrages.

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  10. If it happens to me, I'm going to scream Janet Napolitano's name in feigned pleasure and see who is more embarrassed--me or the TSA worker.

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  11. As a certified security expert and pilot, I can tell you TSA does not have a clue about "Risk Based Security" 101 - what all enterprises in our country use to protect their assets. IF they started to learn what real security is (Rather than going through some illegal motions like sexual assault) they would come to know that there is absolutely no way to prevent a pilot from bringing down their plane with nothing more than their hands. So, blasting them with ionizing radiation and sexually assaulting them does absolutely NOTHING for security. They could look at how Israel has been using this approach to aircraft security for 30 plus years. Think about it - who would the extremists rather harm, US or Israel ? :-D

    (FILE A COMPLAINT with your state's health department as these machines violate safety laws on lead shielding, among others)

    Now, the Constitution says US citizens are "innocent until PROVEN guilty" as well as other protections. Where is the amendment that allows TSA to break the Constitution ? I thought we tell the world we are a nation with "The rule of law" ??

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  12. Israel is consistently the best example of airline security. Why can't America get a clue? Too proud to learn from an expert, or too paranoid?

    With all the videoing options available to the traveling public, I expect that YouTube will soon be brimming with new pornographic TSA footage...

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  13. I am a security cleared nuclear worker and pass through an explosives detector and metal detector on a daily basis. The process is fast, organized, and far more secure than anything I have ever experienced in an airport; I find the TSA provides the illusion of safety at best and I'm not even sure who they are fooling any more. The radiation exposure from scanning is minuscule but is exposure none the less and can only do harm.
    While you are being filmed naked in a scanner the images are sent to a viewing booth and possibly elsewhere. With camera phones and texting I am certain that bored and less than scrupulous TSA employees are sending out scans as we speak, prove me wrong!

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  14. You know my first reaction to these "back scatter" x-ray machines was a flash back to the 1990 Arnold Schwarzenegger movie "Total Recall" - at the time I worked on x-ray equipment at the world's largest Radiology department and the total body x-ray machines were shown in that movie - I thought at the time "No one would ever intentionally damage someone's DNA with ionizing radiation just for the illusion of security" - I never thought Americans would allow such a thing.

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  15. What a shame this patdown humiliation is occuring in America. 20 years ago it would have been dismissed as rediculous that such abuses of freedom would ever be permitted. I travel constantly and when I "opt out" the TSA people yell out "i've got an opt out" then the humiliating process begins. I am so disappointed this is happening in what sued to be such a free and proud country.

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  16. My 15 yr old daughter was body scanned at the San Antonio Airport and patted down afterwards. They did not ask for permission from my husband or I (her mother) before doing so. She feels totally violated and embarrassed. Something's definitely wrong with this situation. No one is addressing this in the media!

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  17. My 15 yr old daughter was body scanned at the San Antonio Airport and patted down afterwards. They did not ask for permission from my husband or I (her mother) before doing so. She feels totally violated and embarrassed. Something's definitely wrong with this situation. No one is addressing this in the media!

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  18. People, airing things here is good. to get things done, requires addressing this to your congressional constituents, i have, as well as all members of the committee, both Democrat and republican.
    Until this is brought before congress AS A VIOLATION OF RIGHTS nothing will get done.
    go here: http://www.flyersrights.org/congress.php

    has all the links needed

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  19. It is entirely unclear that anyone who has had melanoma is safe in a body scanner that puts all the radiation onto the skin. As one of those who has that concern I will have to go through the "enhanced" pat down even though I have traveled about 100,000 miles a year going through the "normal" scanning, with no problems, for almost 15 years. I will experience the "enhanced pat down" for the first time in a little over a week. I am attempting to keep an open mind, but from everything I've read it sounds like exactly what we teach our kids to run away from screaming. I wonder how many of those who say it is "necessary" and anyone who objects is a wimp, are actually flying?

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  20. Yep ... legalized rape and molestation at our airports - how incredible! I just want to add one of my personal experiences/observations with our airports. Last Thanksgiving, my then 12-year-old daughter were leaving for Charlotte from Duluth, MN. In Duluth, my bags were rummaged through, and my liquid makeup, etc was confiscated. When we transfered in Mpls, while walking terminal to catch our plane, my daughter noticed a small arcade area w/video games for younger flyers. When looking to the area she was referring to, I was simply stunned - then disgusted to see that two of the "games" that several young boys were playing were violent weapons "games!" Kind of liking the snack-packs passengers can purchase now, once we were airborne, I ordered one each for my daughter and me. Inside the box was a pkg of crackers, some cheese sticks, cookies, and a can of lemon-pepper tuna for on top the crackers. Of course, there were no plastic or any other type of utensil provided with which to get the tuna out of the can ... but, the thing that disgusted me (once more) was that the can (made of tin) had a stubborn pull-top lid, which nearly sliced my hand wide open trying to release. Once released, there was little left to the imagination as to HOW this particular airline "provision" could EASILY be used as a weapon!! The question remains: How concerned, or vigilant, really, are the airlines? or our government when they allow things like this? The body scanners and "feel you ups" are a despicable invasion of personal privacy - no different than sexual molestation and rape. It needs to stop. Those who have otherwise been molested at our airports need to begin filing lawsuits.

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  21. ok everybody, what we needed, is now available, clinical statements as to the danger of these scans, from the Drs at the University of California, SF campus

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3685/cancer-ray-opt-out.pdf

    and good read: http://gizmodo.com/5692198/a-tsa-success-story

    and the real topper, we need to send to the "committee, AND our congressional reps:

    http://gizmodo.com/5690749/these-are-the-first-100-leaked-body-scans

    this is 100 of the 35000 photos of scans taken from 1 yes ONE scanner in Orlando, FL

    "At the heart of the controversy over "body scanners" is a promise: The images of our naked bodies will never be public. U.S. Marshals in a Florida Federal courthouse saved 35,000 images on their scanner."

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  22. I am boycotting flying. I'd rather drive even though it takes more time. I refuse to be humiliated by the overly invasive body scanners and/or the groping by TSA. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

    I can't believe the pilots are having to submit! They're the ones flying the damned plane! If any of them were crazy enough they wouldn't have to sneak something on board. All they would have to do is fly it into the damned ground!

    Flying used to be a fun adventure--no longer. Passengers are nickel & dimed for every little amenity and the ticket prices are ridiculous when they give you nothing but a tightly crammed in seat. I feel sorry for those with long legs. At least when I drive, I can stop and stretch my legs, take as much luggage as I want, any size of shampoo or toothpaste, and any food I want.

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  23. The pat downs that TSA are performing are no different than those that law enforcement officers are supposed to administer when taking someone into custody. When an officer takes someone into custody a pat down it's for both that person and the officers safety. When TSA personnel administer a pat down it is to ensure the safety of the people at the airport and on the planes. Nothing more and nothing less.
    What many people here can't seem to grasp is that there are people in this world who will strap explosives to their bodies and detonate them to harm others. This happens every day throughout the middle east, in Afghanistan, and in other conflict zones around the world. Without this level of diligence on the part of the TSA and law enforcement terrorists will use these tactics in our country and against our people.

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  24. "The pat downs that TSA are performing are no different than those that law enforcement officers are supposed to administer when taking someone into custody...."

    The police are arresting suspected criminals--TSA is treating EVERYONE like a criminal. That is just WRONG!

    I refuse to be treated like a criminal!

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  25. I am having a real problem understanding the steps our government is taking to make themselves feel safe in their jobs. Everytime something happens on an airplane the government wants to "take steps" to keep us safe and by doing so more of our rights are taken away. Am I wrong or has travel in this country been safe since 911? We need to pack up these machines and send them to Yemen or Holland or where ever else bombs are getting onto planes. We are only unsafe from incoming planes!! What we were doing was working and didn't make us undress in front of strangers. Well, maybe that is next.

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  26. What if you're a Christian and you believe that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, that it belongs ONLY to God, to yourself and to your spouse if you're married (1 Corinthians 7)? What if you believe that it's morally wrong to allow yourself to be pawed by strangers as though you were forced into a lap-dance or something? I, a descendant of people who came over right after the Mayflower, have been pawed and violated by "screeners" whose first language was Farsi. I can't even express what an outrage this is.

    All because we cannot be politically incorrect and PROFILE!

    This country and its citizens have been handed over, lock, stock and barrel, to our enemies. Perhaps it's time to find somewhere else to live.

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  27. Yes, Brian@Bags, the pat downs are the same that law enforcement officers do to take someone into custody. The difference, however, is that getting on a plane is not the same as breaking a law serious enough to warrant your arrest.

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  28. It is highly disturbing that our government is pursuing a "catch-up" strategy with perpetrators being one step ahead.
    In the recent episodes of terrorist attempts the agents were not able to intercept the threats and it was up to the passengers and flight attendants to neutralize and subdue these individuals. The invasion of our privacy and dignity will have no limits as soon as someone will try to use body cavities to smuggle materials or weapons through the screening point. Are mass cavity searches really laying ahead of us?

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  29. It's amazing how our soldiers have fought and died for our freedom, but yet the TSA strips us of them in our own country. I drive now instead of flying.

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  30. I flew out of Oakland to see my family in Colorado, to Denver International. Not only did I take off my belt, shoes and every stitch of jewelry I had on, watch, wedding ring, ect. every coin, every item in my pockets and put it thru the bins, I went through the scanners with my hands over my head like a criminal, worrying about the amount of radiation in the machine.....I had NOTHING on but cloth clothes, a TSA agent STILL felt me up on my breasts. I said "I have NOTHING on AT ALL, and the scanner should have picked that up", I was outraged. For the last several years I've felt like a criminal everytime I have to go through security, as it gets tighter and tighter like a noose, but this was the last straw for me, because NOT ONLY, did I submit to the scanner, I ALSO got felt up by an agent. I thought we had list had a 'choice'. My partner was taken to a back room for 'further investigation', of course NEITHER of us had a thing on us.

    I'm glad I dont' fly often, and if I have the opportunity I will drive or take the train instead.....I will NOT be treated like a common criminal!

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  31. Jean, the link you gave here:
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3685/cancer-ray-opt-out.pdf
    won't load for me. I'd like it. Can you check it and see if it's working properly?
    Thanks,
    Crystal

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  32. They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

    Benjamin Franklin
    February 17, 1775

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  33. I am a frequent flyer for official DoD business as well as pleasure. I have been Executive Platinum on American Airlines for many years. I have a very high security clearance, which means that I am a more trustworthy American citizen than every single TSA agent who lays hands on my genitals. On 10 October 2010, as I was passing security in San Antonio, Texas, I was singled-out for a pat-down. The TSA agent explained that he would “place his hand on my inner thigh and raise it until it touched my torso.” I told him that I would not allow him to touch my genitals. He repeated that he “would raise his hand until it touched my torso.” I told him that he could use the word “torso” all he wanted, but I would not allow him to touch my genitals. At this point, he called a supervisor, and the two of them took me to a private area and repeated the “torso” speech, to which I repeated my warning about touching my genitals. He then patted me down, which included feeling my genitals. He and the supervisor appeared to think the situation was humorous. So, to recap, despite my unambiguously stated refusal to have my genitals touched, a TSA agent deliberately felt my genitals, which appeared to amuse both him and his supervisor. I strongly urge everyone who reads this to 1) not submit to a full body scan, thus necessitating a pat-down 2) refuse to be searched in private and 3) loudly and clearly state your objection to having your genitals touched. Perhaps this will inform other flyers going through security about the humiliation that they are about to receive. If you are not inclined to this level of protest, I urge you to discontinue flying and to write the major airline careers and your Senators and Congressmen to inform them of how you are removing dollars from the airline industry. In other words, let your pocketbook speak for you and notify those who profit from your patronage that they are losing your money. And finally, I strongly urge all who read this to write your Senators and Congressmen and to forcefully express your opposition to this unconscionable intrusion of personal privacy, which at least in this instance, appeared also to be a source of entertainment for the TSA agents.

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  34. DRA:

    Why are people do afraid to speak up? Why are Americans ok with the statu quo? In a recent conversation with a friend about this issue she wrote: "I don't care if I have to be stripped naked, patted down and given a body cavity search, I want to know that I will arrive at my destination safely. So a little x-ray like scan is fine with me!!!!!"

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  35. DRA:

    Why are people do afraid to speak up? Why are Americans ok with the statu quo? In a recent conversation with a friend about this issue she wrote: "I don't care if I have to be stripped naked, patted down and given a body cavity search, I want to know that I will arrive at my destination safely. So a little x-ray like scan is fine with me!!!!!"

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  36. I was patted down in early october at JFK. Some fat tsa lady said to this african american tsa male "Yeah, we got one." And this guy does the full pat down right in the metal detector walk thru area where everyone can see what is going on. He seemed rather uncomfortable and although the pat down was very thorough and ludicrous he only touched my butt and left my balls/genitals alone. He was close to them though. I was as embarrassed for this whole stupid country for doing this to people now as I was for myself. What a waste- this activity and demeaning behavior makes no one any safer. It lets idiot bureaucrats like homesecurity personnel increase their salaries and funding.

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  37. Margaret, profiling will only exacerbate the problem. Being the descendant of those that came over on the Mayflower has nothing to do with the problem. Thanks for the information. I'm sure everyone here cares. Don't let your personal prejudice obfuscate the complete disregard for basic human rights, including the right to privacy. The Constitution of the United States of America affords personal privacy to everyone, even if they speak Farsi. There are other ways to ensure proper "screening." It is exactly your kind of blinder-type thinking that allowed measures like use of these body scanners and pat-downs/grope sessions to be instituted in the first place.

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  38. Cocopuff, I KNOW no one cares. That's the point. You make no discernible sense otherwise (did I state that I wanted to threaten the personal privacy of anyone who speaks the sainted language, Farsi???) and I'm not going to waste time answering anything else that you spewed.

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  39. I am flying next month from DCA and will opt out of the scanner. I will subject myself to the sexual molestation and immediately report to the ACLU and my attorney. I will file a lawsuit against Ms. Napolitano and the head of the TSA afterwards. It's the only way they will listen.

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  40. I am a 62 year old female who looks more like "grandma" than "Al Queda". I work for the federal government and I have a top level security clearance and a badge but this isn't good enough for TSA! I get pulled out for "enhanced screening" about every 4th time I fly and I am definitely a "frequent flyer". I am beginning to believe that some TSA people just want to show me that their badge is bigger than my badge since it always happens after they have scanned my briefcase. I really can find no other reason for this.

    I also work with radioactive materials and have for years so I understand things like KeV and Compton scattering and dose. I have been searching for months on the TSA website and the instrument makers websites to find information about the energy and the dose they are delivering in these machines. None of them will post that information anywhere. I tried to question TSA about this and they also won't give me any information. WHY? Don't they know? I am also "really impressed" that they are using unscientific "polls" to show that most Americans (who don't have a clue about this and aren't told anything about dose or the fact that these machines can't find explosives) "like" body scanners, instead of giving us real information.

    The one thing I am very certain of in my field is that radiation used by incompetent people leads to very bad consequences, and I know that it isn't a matter if if these machines will fail, it is a matter of when. You can bet TSA won't know the machine is malfunctioning and they won't inform the people scanned that they may have received an excessive dose. Because of that reason I am choosing to "opt out". It won't be me that gets the Sievert dose, thank you very much!

    I do wish that the TSA people would change their gloves between pat downs though. (Watch them for a while, you will see that they use the same gloves that were in someone's crotch to go over the next person). I always feel like I need a shower after their "enhanced patdowns" and I am not a prude! It amazes me that they give them radiation to play with when they don't even understand basic hygiene.

    I had to go through the radiation scanner once a couple of months ago at DCA. I was not given the option to "opt out". I was told by the TSA people that if I didn't go through the scanner, I didn't fly. Period! They scanned me for over a minute (Yes I counted!) before they released me. At this same time I had to call a supervisor and argue with her about why my TLD couldn't go through the luggage scanner. Yes, this was the same person who supervised the body scanner! Normally I hide my TLD in a padded bra that I wear especially for this reason so that I don't have to have this "conversation" every time I fly.

    Apart from the fact that TSA doesn't know what it is exposing people to, and of course, violating our 4th amendment rights, I am very concerned that TSA may be giving passengers a very false sense of security and since these body scanners don't find explosives, I am very afraid that some fanatical organization may take this as a dare to show TSA how incompetent it is. I believe TSA has made it MORE dangerous to fly now, rather than safer. These body scanners can only find sharps and believe me, that isn't a problem any more - passengers will take care of anyone who shows up with a knife on board! And in fact, it was passengers who found the two instances where explosives were gotten on board American planes since 911, NOT TSA!!

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  41. I am a 62 year old female who looks more like "grandma" than "Al Queda". I work for the federal government and I have a top level security clearance and a badge but this isn't good enough for TSA! I get pulled out for "enhanced screening" about every 4th time I fly and I am definitely a "frequent flyer". I am beginning to believe that some TSA people just want to show me that their badge is bigger than my badge since it always happens after they have scanned my briefcase. I really can find no other reason for this.

    I also work with radioactive materials and have for years so I understand things like KeV and Compton scattering and dose. I have been searching for months on the TSA website and the instrument makers websites to find information about the energy and the dose they are delivering in these machines. None of them will post that information anywhere. I tried to question TSA about this and they also won't give me any information. WHY? Don't they know? I am also "really impressed" that they are using unscientific "polls" to show that most Americans (who don't have a clue about this and aren't told anything about dose or the fact that these machines can't find explosives) "like" body scanners, instead of giving us real information.

    The one thing I am very certain of in my field is that radiation used by incompetent people leads to very bad consequences, and I know that it isn't a matter if if these machines will fail, it is a matter of when. You can bet TSA won't know the machine is malfunctioning and they won't inform the people scanned that they may have received an excessive dose. Because of that reason I am choosing to "opt out". It won't be me that gets the Sievert dose, thank you very much!

    I do wish that the TSA people would change their gloves between pat downs though. (Watch them for a while, you will see that they use the same gloves that were in someone's crotch to go over the next person). I always feel like I need a shower after their "enhanced patdowns" and I am not a prude! It amazes me that they give them radiation to play with when they don't even understand basic hygiene.

    I had to go through the radiation scanner once a couple of months ago at DCA. I was not given the option to "opt out". I was told by the TSA people that if I didn't go through the scanner, I didn't fly. Period! They scanned me for over a minute (Yes I counted!) before they released me. At this same time I had to call a supervisor and argue with her about why my TLD couldn't go through the luggage scanner. Yes, this was the same person who supervised the body scanner! Normally I hide my TLD in a padded bra that I wear especially for this reason so that I don't have to have this "conversation" every time I fly.

    Apart from the fact that TSA doesn't know what it is exposing people to, and of course, violating our 4th amendment rights, I am very concerned that TSA may be giving passengers a very false sense of security and since these body scanners don't find explosives, I am very afraid that some fanatical organization may take this as a dare to show TSA how incompetent it is. I believe TSA has made it MORE dangerous to fly now, rather than safer. These body scanners can only find sharps and believe me, that isn't a problem any more - passengers will take care of anyone who shows up with a knife on board! And in fact, it was passengers who found the two instances where explosives were gotten on board American planes since 911, NOT TSA!!

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  42. I work for the federal government and have a top level security clearance and a badge so SOMEONE in the government thinks I am reliable but not TSA! I am a frequent flyer and work with radioactive materials so I know things like KeV and Compton scattering and microSieverts and I can calculate my dose with a little information. But neither TSA nor the makers of the body scanners will tell us what energy they are using or the dose per second we are receiving. WHY????? There is no reason to keep that information secret and because of the pictures of the scans they have shown, I pretty much know what KeV they are using and I have an idea of what dose I might get. I have searched online for months and have asked TSA about these machines and it appears that they don't really know!!!
    I have had one encounter with the body scanner a few months ago at DCA when I was told if I didn't go through, I didn't fly. They scanned me for over a minute (yes I counted) and at the same time I was having an argument with the supervisor about why my TLD couldn't go through the luggage scanner. Yes, this was the same person who supervised the body scanner!!!!
    In my line of work, the one thing I am absolutely sure of is that radiation in the hands of incompetent people leads to bad consequences. I "opt out" now because it isn't a matter of if the machines will fail, it is a matter of when, and it won't me be who receives the Sievert dose, thank you very much!!! I do wish the TSA people would change gloves between "patdowns" though!! Don't they even understand personal hygiene?

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  43. One good thing about being an over-60 male is that I seriously doubt that copies of my full-body scan will ever end up on the internet...

    Seriously though, you know that's going to happen sooner or later, and then the fur's really going to fly... My wife just got back from a round-trip to Idaho, and was thoroughly humiliated, both directions... she has two knee replacements and a recent shoulder replacement so, of course, she was \"profiled\" and sent to the \"special attention\" booth in Austin and Boise....

    The TSA agents were extremely rude, did not understand her inability to hold her right arm up over her head (or at any angle without help of her left hand) and sent her carry-ons back through the scanners because she simply touched the strap of her purse when the \"in-training\" attendant said \"we need to bring your things over here\"...

    Saddam Hussein & his minions have won! We're now a paranoid nation, we've instigated public body-searches that were previously reserved for criminals, and we're creating enemies amongst ourselves in the dubious name of \"security\"...

    I don't personally know what to do about airport security at this point, but what we're doing is wrong! And, yes, we're submitting a detailed complaint to TSA for the humiliation my wife suffered in the last few days...

    BLentzTX
    Wimberley, Texas

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  44. Since I have a knee implant I set off the metal detector at every security line I enter. In the past, this has been resolved with a wand and the old pat down. Now, I assume I'm going to be treated to the enhanced grope every time I try to board a plane.

    However, I also have had prostate cancer surgery which has left me with a stress incontinence problem. I wear a male pad during the day. I'm wondering what will happen when the TSA goon isn't able to feel my testicles or penis due to the pad. Am I going to be invited into the back room to be subjected to an actual strip search every time I have to fly at an airport without the porno scanners?

    The "convenience" of flying doesn't seem worth the embarrassment of this process. I would be especially concerned about telling my traveling companions why I was selected for this special treatment. Can anyone tell me what will happen when I head to the airport the next time?

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  45. I witnessed my wife being touched inappropriately by TSA without being told in advance what would happen (November 2nd).

    Years ago we blamed Nazis for "following orders" as an excuse to committing crime against others...so why does OUR government consider it OK for TSA agents to commit crimes against American citizens?

    Shouldn't ethical TSA agents refuse to follow orders that violate our right to privacy? Instead of harrassing US citizens, why don't they profile those who are most likely to be a threat to our safety?

    Oh...the same hypocritical beaurocrats demanding this "enhanced" security refuses to endorse greater security at our border.

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  47. The only reason we are subject to mass inspections like this is our refusal to use common sense methods, such as "profiling," which has been deemed politically incorrect ("racist.") How dare we risk offending those that seek our destruction, when we can offend and inconvenience the paying and (99.99% innocent) flying public? This is what life has become, and it will only get worse as government becomes more dominant, intrusive, and--yes--even socialist.The country voted for this with Obama and the Democrats, and the next election is our chance to take our rights back. It has begun already, with the midterm elections, and we must keep the pressure on our representatives to do what we elected them to do.

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  48. I recently read that our "wonderful" new Speaker was able to bypass both the scanner and the pat down. The most dangerous and corrupt people in this country are our elected officials. They continue to pass rules and programs that we are expected to follow but they are exempt from.

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  49. Fact: To date there has never been a proven case where TSA screening has foiled a terrorist attempt.
    Fact: There are other extremely effective and less invasive screening methods than full body pat downs and scanners.
    Fact: The 9/11 terrorists used small box cutters to take control of the planes, not bombs, not guns. Even now weapons more intricate and effective than the ones used can be snuck through metal detectors, I will not say more as I don't want to give anyone ideas.
    Fact: Current screening methods cannot find items hidden in orifi or skin folds. In addition a variety of weapons exist that can pass through virtually any screening method.
    Fact: The shoe bomber failed no thanks to the TSA.
    Fact: The underwear bomber failed no thanks to the TSA.
    Instead of wasting our time and dignity on screenings that don't work why don't we spend our efforts finding ways to get people to not want to kill us?

    "A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both, and deserve neither" Thomas Jefferson

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  50. Here's the intro on the TSA website to invite people to become TSA screeners or whatever:
    ____________________________
    "Airport Security Careers
    TSA Careers

    Where do your interests lay? There are numerous positions in the security field with unique roles and responsibilities, and each one is a vital part of our team. The list below shows some of the opportunities available at airports across the country and in U.S. Territories. The exact number and kinds of positions at an airport will vary depending on the size and particular needs of the location.

    Interested in starting your career behind the scenes as part of our security staff? Click here to search for an opening near you.
    Looking to work directly with travelers and being part of our team of Transportation Security Officers? Click here to find an opportunity near you.
    Does your local airport participate in our Screening Partnership Program? Looking to join one of our private screening partners? Click here and find out how."
    _____________________________
    "Where do your interests LAY?" The word should be LIE. These people and the horses they rode in on are flat-out nincompoops.

    Profile, TSA nitwits. Then PROFILE again.

    And as the "screen" door is hitting you in your ample, unscreened butt - PROFILE!

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  51. Suggestion: Just take off your clothes. In my case, I plan to also bend over to show the TSA fondler my anus. If we get a few hundred folks to do this I bet the system will change quite rapidly.

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  52. I was gropped about half a decade ago. It was painful. The TSA "air-vert" (coined a new word here) would grab hold of the skin in my crotch and then pushed down until my parts pasted through his fist. So what I've seen recently, these air-verts doings anger me, mostly directed to the perverts that thought this #$%^ up. This is as "air-verted" as when Japanese school girls would have to strip to bras and undies for manditory "weigh-in" and the "men" would walk up and down learing at them. And only a couple of steps away from when the Stasi use to charge girls with alledged crimes so they'd be incarcerated and placed into pleasure jails for the Stasi perverts to enjoy. We are American citizens with, alledgedly, 4th Admendment Rights. Yet we are "air-vertedly" gropped while only 2O% of aircargo is inspected, and as in the newspapers today (22Nov10) truckers are driving around drunk or tipsy while hauling nuclear weapon components and are let-go when arrested and do not face job loss. Something is wrong-in-the-head with "our" gov't ! And as far as the scanners are concerned instead of the displays looking like playboy/playgirl/nambla/kiddie-porn (like the SEC does/did) everything could be displayed in angular form -like some maps- and anything "suspicious" or apparently absent/malformed could be color highlighted.(excluding the body-cavity bombs now in use which couldn't be detected short of a fullbody X-ray. So the reader sees while I never fly unless I go overseas.

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  53. There are dogs trained to sniff out explosives and scanners that can detect weapons; therefore, these invasive scans and pat downs are not for saftey measures. They are to humilate and dominate the citizenry. Isn't it interesting that as the Tea Partyers and Republicans realized they could nab the House these invasive searches began. Bye bye Bill or Rights, the Tea Party is here.

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  54. There are dogs trained to sniff out explosives and scanners that can detect weapons; therefore, these invasive scans and pat downs are not for saftey measures. They are to humilate and dominate the citizenry. Isn't it interesting that as the Tea Partyers and Republicans realized they could nab the House these invasive searches began. Bye bye Bill or Rights, the Tea Party is here.

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  55. There are dogs trained to sniff out explosives and scanners that can detect weapons; therefore, these invasive scans and pat downs are not for saftey measures. They are to humilate and dominate the citizenry. Isn't it interesting that as the Tea Partyers and Republicans realized they could nab the House these invasive searches began. Bye bye Bill or Rights, the Tea Party is here.

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  57. Isn't it a coincidence that this guvernmental abuse starts right after the Tea Party wins the elections? Just embraze yourselves and prepare to be abused. The right wing is about that. I was expecting this type of crap as soon as they won. Even when I was in line to vote, they came to tell us how if we were liberals we were murderers.
    They will tell you that all this is to protect us. However, who needs protection when the government becomes the terrorists? If you want to fight this kind of abuse, remember it at the voting poles. That's when we can stop them.

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